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Mondeo TDCI 2002 Injector Recoding

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#1 ·
I have just tried to re-code Injector 4 on my Mondeo TDCI 2002 using F-Super and Formidable 2.3. It will not read the existing codes and will not retain any codes programmed in.
I now gather that F-Super will not interface with the ICU.
Does anyone have any suggestions of any hardware/software combination which would allow me to do this?

Many thanks.

LES
 
#3 ·
Quicker and cheaper if you can get forscan to work for you. Fordiag has always been the most consistently working device but unless theres a member near you who can help it takes a while to get one.
 
#4 ·
None of the devices will read the codes back. Not tried the Forscan but can

vouch for the ForDiag. That works (but still wont read them)
 
#6 ·
You need an elm327 based usb cable. There is an element of luck in this as the quality varies between clones. Some report success using an f-super 2 (which i think is simply an elm327 based cable cashing in on an established name,but i may do vendors an injustice,who knows) but may be a little more standardised.

Forscan includes a test which tries to determine how good a particular cable is, i'm not aware though of any adverse effects from trying and failing apart from user frustration.

If you google talkford c2i f_super2 you may find some useful feedback,likewise talkford elm327 c2i success or similar may help. Forscan have a forum with lots of info at forscan.org good luck!
 
#7 ·
OK. . . bought an ELM327 from a very helpful guy, Steve Elmer. He says his customers report 100success rate reprogramming injectors with his ELM327. Connected it to the car with Forscan V 2.3.0 and reprogrammed the injector as per the instructions at: http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2

In the Forscan instructions it says at the end of the reprogramming to 'clear the fault code'. I see no way of doing this and, I think as a result, the glow plug light is still flashing. It also says to exit the function click the 'Stop' button; when I click this nothing happens. I am using the software on Windows XP.

Help!
 
#8 ·
Are you recoding 1 injector only and switching the ignition off before trying to recode

another one?

Only code one at a time and switch of between them.

Can you read live data with the tool/software?

Select the DTC tab and read the codes and select the left button down the

bottom to delete the code?
 
#9 ·
Its been a while since i used forscan but when you say no way to clear codes,not quite sure what you mean? Selecting clear doesnt work or you dont see an option to do the clear with, or you do a clear and it works but the code comes straight back again?

Clearing dtcs is a separate function to coding injectors, theyre linked for the 233n codes only in that you cant clear a 233n code properly without recoding the injector.
 
#10 ·
I'm only re-coding injector 4. The software states that the re-code has been successful.

I've cleared the DTC log, Reset DTC and Read DTC but it still comes-up with the same P2339 fault code.

From what you're saying I assume that 'Clear Log' in DTC is what they mean by 'clear the fault code'? I can not see anything labelled 'clear fault code' in the software.

If I click on 'Read PID Data' (next 'button' down from DTC) it is blank, I was guessing the engine needed to be running for this function?
 
#11 ·
Hi, have a look at the 2 videos in reply #42 of this link:

http://www.talkford.com/community/topic/198261-fordiag-current-status/page-5

Here, we have TF member Abu who has a 2003 Mondeo with a P2336 error, which he successfully clears by recoding. Note that the glowplug light stopped immediately the coding completed-there was no having to 'clear DTC' or whatever.

Now, Abu has an early 1-box system, which also isn't compatible with generic F-Super/elm32 devices.

Your 2002 Mondeo has a 2-box system, like mine, and the ONLY device known to write the injector codes-apart from taking it to a diesel specialist or your Ford dealer, or using a Snap-On reader is the Fordiag, as far as I know.
 
#12 ·
There are several people who have used the ELM327 and the latest version of Forscan to recode pre-2003 (2 box) Mondeo injectors. Steve Elmer told me that, "My customers tell me my Elm327 works flawlessly with Forscan software injector programming."

Does anyone here have experience of recoding pre 2002 Mondeo injectors with ELM327 and Forscan?
 
#13 · (Edited by Moderator)
This may sound silly but are you recoding injector 4 as in forscan injector 4? Remember 2339 relates to the injector in CYLINDER 4.unless forscan have changed the way it works, I think this means the INJECTOR you have to recode is injector 3. Try recoding all your injectors. Even if you get the codes in the wrong order, the 2339 should be clearable at least until you run the engine. This would show the recode process was working. Good luck and do tell us how you get on - you can see this is still a hot topic!
 
#14 ·
What an idiot! You're absolutely right Alan, I foolishly read P2339 as a fault with injector 4 instead of Cylinder 4 (injector 3), therefore I was re-coding an injector which was perfectly OK.

I've just re-coded Injector 3 as per the detailed instructions at: http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2and the flashing glow plug light went-out and the car started perfectly!

For the benefit of other forum members, I bought the ELM327 from Steve Elmer (a very helpful guy): http://www.spanglefish.com/tunnelratelectronics/for £15.95 incl postage, and used the latest version (V 2.3.0 beta) of forscan software: http://forscan.org/download.html

Many thanks to all for the invaluable help!
 
#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
Delighted you cracked it! Why the way things are numbered is a mystery to me, but as it works Im not complaining! Have you had a period of rather noisy running? This is another point-er that a recode has worked, because pilot injection is turned off for a bit while the sytem relearns. If you dont have a 233n code,the rattle is the onnly real indicator of success. On my car,also an 02, i couldnt really be certain over the row from everything else. I thought it had worked,but....

Thanks for updating us, helpful for everyone else with same issue. Others have said it works, but i think clearing the fault is conclusive. Hope it keeps you running for a while :)
 
#17 ·
That's interesting. Recoding is generally followed by a period of running generally decribed as "sounding like an old taxi". The problem we have here is not knowing what behaviour from the car after recoding is truly normal. W know wht usually happens after a successful recode with id and fordiag but...There may be a command that resets the c2i code, another that actually zeros the learnt adjustment, and another that removes pilot injection for a while. They may all be a single command to the pcm, or maybe more than one with no user intervention. Done differently for IDS, Fordiag, Forscan, Formidable....

For practical purposes, if it was out enough to throw a code and produce white smoke and now it doesn't, that's good enough for me. :)
 
#18 ·
Well done both! and invaluable feedback too. That cylinder numbering vs injector numbering keeps returning...why injectors are numbered in FIRING order beats me too, but was the subject of an interesting topic by Peter Scott a while ago. It's good to know we can now recommend the elm327 for recoding 2-box Mondies now????
 
#19 ·
Yes, I think at the moment Peter is more putting his spare time into actually working on an older car belonging to a friend (If you come across one of his posts, click on the "other interests" link in his sig - his own car is well worth a look). But if looking for information takes you to something he's written read it - it's very clear and concise and frequently backed up with supporting source. Unlike my own ramblings... despite all the good examples from others here, im still waffling on -must be a slow learner.....
 
#20 ·
Yes, the ELM327 with the latest version of forscan does work does work for re-coding pre-2003 Mondeos but, apparently, all ELM327s are not the same, I can only vouch for the one supplied by Steve Elmer at Tunnel Rat. There are cheaper ELM327s out there, but users say it's very hit & miss as to whether you get one which will actually re-code.

Likewise, I really don't understand Ford's decision to number injectors in firing order rather than cylinder order, I guess I'm not the only idiot who has got them confused. Interestingly, the injector code sticker on some cam covers shows the codes in firing order whereas others are shown in cylinder order(!). All in all, a recipe for wide-scale misunderstanding :)
 
#21 ·
You're spot-on with your observation about the code sticker on the engine???? Although I've already got aFordiag, I'm going to take a punt on one of those elm devices..cheap a chips!
 
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#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
I can also confirm that FORScan can recode <June 03 2 box Mondies as I did mine a week or so ago after fitting a few 2nd hand injectors and yes it did go through a period on noisy smokey re-learn. The 1st test drive was with a warm engine at start-up and lasted 35 mins and the learn process didn't take place. After leaving it stood overnight I took it for a 2nd test drive from stone cold and drove it for a good 50 mins. It was only at around the 40 minute mark that the engine quietened down and stopped smoking under acceleration. For a car with 3 2nd hand injectors, a failed flywheel and a turbo boost issue it actually drives pretty well.

An interesting note is that I have 2 VCMii's and neither of them could recode the injectors but they both work fine on my transits (all 2.4 tdci's) so it's possible that the 2 box Mondies aren't compatible with VCMii + IDS v86 onwards. They probably need the older technology WDS or FD2000 (I think that's what they were called).

As for connecting with f-super I have 2 of them and only one will connect to the Mondeo but I'm sure I ended up with 2 f-supers because the 1st one wouldn't connect to the transits either so I bought a 2nd one so probably a dodgy f-super and not the Mondeo at fault there. Anyway I hope this info helps to strengthen peoples confidence in FORScan for the Mondeo as it can save you a fortune over main dealer diagnostic costs.

My Mondeo is a two box 04.03 2.0 tdci 130 that I bought more as a diagnostics practice vehicle that as a daily driver so if you want me to run any tests with formidable, forscan, ids etc let me know and i'll see what happens.
 
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Thats the Formidable order, but i think the Forscan got it the other way around.

They code in cylinder firing order, an odd way to display them but as long as it works.

They show 1 4 2 3
 
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