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Retro-fit bluetooth to Denso Nav

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#1 ·
Hi all.
I have got a 2005 Mondeo TDCI with the factory fitted Denso Nav.
I have read a few posts on this forum regarding retro fitting the bluetooth. But was confused by a couple of posts. One states that IDS is necessary and one which didn't.
Does anyone know if it does?
Also does anyone have the part numbers for the bits I need to retro-fit?

Many thanks
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#2 ·
I havent got the part numbers to hand but you will need...

Bluetooth Module - Must be an RX1-C variant and have the words 'Bluetooth Control Module' written on it.

Microphone

Patch lead from the radio to the bluetooth (these are circa £103 from Ford at present)

You will need IDS to configure it as the module needs your car's VIN number to match up to the remainder of the audio system. There are also flles that may or may not be required to write to the Radio/CD assy,

Hope this helps...

Alex
07955 406 446
 
#3 ·
Thanks Alex, I presume anyone with the IDS system would be able to configure it? I don't have IDS and I'm guessing you are a bit far away from me to get you to do it if and when I get the module.
Are there any other varients of modules that will work? Mine is the later version of Nav I think from the part number.
 
#4 ·
Not sure on the other variants.. I've tried an RX2-C and that didnt want to play ball. The later ones with USB deff wont work.

You can pop to Ford to get the module intialised however they will probably charge you 1/2 hours labour. Thats all it takes (about 15 mins really)
 
#5 ·
I am new to the forum, and have a 56 plate Mk3 Mondeo GhiaX 2.0 Petrol with Denso sat nav.
I retro-fitted the BT/VCM module as follows;
I obtained a RX-1C BT/VCM module off EBay for around £85 used. 4M5T-19G488-AV
As Alex says, it has to be the RX-1C.
The last 2 characters on the part no. refer to A(English Language) and V(firmware revision number)
As far as I know, the V is the latest firmware which is available for the RX-1C module.
I bought a microphone from Ford for the overhead console 4M5T-19A39-1AA
The wiring loom I used from Ford was for a Fiesta (Finis 1429813 about £55 I think). This includes a 'piggy back' for the quadlock at the rear of the Denso, and wiring and socket for the BT/VCM module.
You can't use this 'as is' because it doesn't include all the through connectors for the quadlock, and so I butchered it and used the bits I needed to splice and solder the BT/VCM socket and leads onto the wires going into the Denso quadlock.
Rather than buy the microphone loom from Ford, I bought 3-4 metres of single core microphone lead from Maplin and 'hard wired' the microphone straight through to the BT/VCM socket.
When I connected everything up, I was fully expecting the Bluetooth to work straight away (which it did), but that I would have to pay for an IDS session at the local 'stealers' to get the VCM working.
Before I packed away my tools, I pushed the mode button on the steering column (as you do), and got a beep !
I shouted help, and lo-and-behold Doris was alive and well and living under the heater !
Now don't ask me why everything worked without an IDS session ; I don't know (maybe Alex can help ?)
The module was definitely second hand, but I don't know what the donor car was.
It may be that the later Mk3s (mine is 56 plate) have later firmware versions in the Denso; more akin to the Mk4s (which I think are plug-and-go)
You could be lucky like me and not require an IDS session, but no guarantees !
Hope this helps.
 
#6 ·
The only way a module will work is if it was replaced in a car and the VIN number was left blank.

I've had this on a few Nav installations where all the components of the system didnt have a VIN number for reference.

Its saved you a few quid though! Normally, when programming any part of the audio/nav/phone system, if there is a mismatched VIN, IDS will inform me and which module needs the information.
 
#7 ·
It is certainly a strange one !
Before I bought all the bits for the retrofit, I checked the Denso Nav diagnostics screens and my VIN number was definitely registered in the nav module (and still is !)
It was this fact, and the fact that I was using a 'used' BT/VCM module which convinced me that I would need an IDS session.
I don't know what data was written to the BT/VCM module, but it had to be either blank or someone elses VIN; in either case you would expect it to have objected.
As you say, it saved me a few quid, so I shouldn't grumble ...... just seems very odd.
 
#8 ·
Thanks for your help.
For the wiring, couldn't you just get the proper wiring loom for the mondeo instead of the fiesta to connect the BT module to the Nav?

I will keep my eye out of a module and then get the other bits. Hopefully I will be lucky like you and not need an IDS session.
I may need to ask a few more questions when I find a module.

Cheers for the info.
Adam
 
#9 ·
I don't think Ford do a 'Jumper' for a BT/VCM Module on the MK3, but you could try your local Ford Spares place; they might be more helpful than mine !
I think the car either comes out of the plant with a socket or without.
I learned about the Fiesta jumper wiring from previous posts on this subject on TF (try a search).
If you get the Fiesta cable, be careful because there are 2 types, and the part number I got was 6S6T-14C007-BA.
It seems a waste because you only end up using about 30% of the loom, but the socket for the BT/VCM module is none-standard, and it is the only way you can get it.
Some of the BT/VCM modules which come up on EBay have in the past included the socket and wiring; but not many.
Good luck.
Ian
 
#10 ·
I would have thought there would have been a jumper wire for the BT/VCM on the mondeo as it was an option and not standard. Normally if it is optional they have add-on looms. But I may be wrong. I will investigate a bit more when I have found a module.

Cheers for the help.
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#11 ·
The wiring for cars with factory fitted bluetooth was incorporated into the looms at manufacture..

They are available from Ford, but expect to pay in the region of £300 for one.. and thats not a typing error.

Your best bet is to find a scrap Focus ST or Titanium as they have the bluetooth loom as standard, cut off the plug and wire it in yourself....
 
#13 ·
did anyone wire this in with a donor plug and know the pin locations
 
#14 ·
Just out of interest, where is the BT module mounted in the Mondeo when it's factory fitted? I only ask because I found the one in my Transit where the drivers right knee is which surprised me. I thought it would be behind the stereo. Just wondering because someone might get lucky and check the loom is already in with the socket for the module in position.

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#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
oem mondeo location is clipped to the underside of the ventilation ducting thats behind the radio.

basically remove the drivers footwell lower centre console side trim ( small screw near the footwell vent to remove & give the trim a pull )

then you should see the connection plug for the blutooth under the vent housing between the air vent hole & the engine bay bulkhead.

the unit is clipped inplace under there
 
#16 ·
Hi gets I am new to the world of forums but so bare with . I have a Mondeo st 55 plate with the denso nav fitted from factory just wondering if over the past few years any anyone has simplified the retro Bluetooth fitting as in the process of gettin all the stuff needed and not sure of how the wiring would work . Any help would be greatfully appreciated. Or is Alex stil around maybe ?
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