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#1 Garvinov

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 06:55 PM

Some advice please gents. I just bought a 2008 C-Max after having had a 1.8TD Mk7 Escort for the past 13 years. Arrival of a baby meant it was time to move into the 21st century and let go of my faithful steed!

Anyhow, jumping a couple of generations at once has led to some surprises for me. One is that the engine bay has various mysterious plastic covers that seem to be screaming "get out of here, take it to a garage, this is no place for amateurs". As someone who has always done a basic oil and filter service myself on every car I've owned for the last 30 years, I wasn't too chuffed to see this. A Haynes manual has helped demystify it a bit.

To the point of this post: I discovered to my amazement that there was no spare wheel with this car! Apparently cost-cutting is the reason. It came with 205x55R16 alloys.

What I would like to know please is: can I buy a cheap steel rim as a spare, to give me time to get to a tyre place under my own steam if the tyre sealant kit supplied fails to work? Can you mix steel rims and alloy or is there some dire consequence if you do?

Do any of the Ford Focus/Mondeo five bolt steel rims fit the hubs I have? If I buy a spare tyre similar to the four on the car already, will it run OK for a short distance with the steel spare fitted?

Any help offered gratefully received. :)

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 12:07 AM

Many cars (my wife's 2005 C-Max included) come with a steel space saver spare wheel. Her C-Max is fitted with 16" alloys so it is OK to put a steel wheel on with alloys as long as the overall profile is the same. The steel wheel Ford supply is, I think, a 14 or 15 inch, so the profile of the tyre on the spare is bigger to make the overall size of the wheel + tyre the same as the alloys + tyres fitted. The steel space savers are limited to 80kph (50mph) and are only a temporary measure to get you home or to a tyre place. The width of the spare is narrower than the alloys but that's OK legally as a temporary "get you home" solution.

My own Mondeo ST (which is fitted as standard with 18" alloys) also comes with a similar steel space-saver spare wheel which was provided by Ford as standard.

You should be able to fairly easily find a Ford space saver spare wheel/tyre for sale via eBay. Here's an example which I just picked at random after doing a search:
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item45fc0bed0f

I'm not suggesting you should purchase that particular one as there are plenty of others available.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 09:50 AM

Many cars (my wife's 2005 C-Max included) come with a steel space saver spare wheel. Her C-Max is fitted with 16" alloys so it is OK to put a steel wheel on with alloys as long as the overall profile is the same. The steel wheel Ford supply is, I think, a 14 or 15 inch, so the profile of the tyre on the spare is bigger to make the overall size of the wheel + tyre the same as the alloys + tyres fitted. The steel space savers are limited to 80kph (50mph) and are only a temporary measure to get you home or to a tyre place. The width of the spare is narrower than the alloys but that's OK legally as a temporary "get you home" solution.

My own Mondeo ST (which is fitted as standard with 18" alloys) also comes with a similar steel space-saver spare wheel which was provided by Ford as standard.

You should be able to fairly easily find a Ford space saver spare wheel/tyre for sale via eBay. Here's an example which I just picked at random after doing a search:
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item45fc0bed0f

I'm not suggesting you should purchase that particular one as there are plenty of others available.

Hope this helps.

Thanks very much for that answer Neil, it certainly does help. I have to say I think Ford has made a mistake by not including a spare wheel as standard. It smacks of penny pinching which leaves a bad impression - I suspect even in the minds of people who wouldn't dream of actually changing a wheel themselves! After Googling and reading further I read posts elsewhere that said 1) that some garages aren't keen on replacing tyres on wheels that have been foamed and 2) that the S-Max doesn't even have a space in the boot for a space saving spare. Unbelievable!

Thanks again for your time. :-)

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 10:15 AM

i actually think thats appaling to not include even a space saver spare, just out of curiosity did they provide a wheelbrace and jack? That tyre weld stuff is ok, but what happens if its the middle of the night, and you're 200 miles from home and the puncture still leaks?

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 12:44 PM

i actually think thats appaling to not include even a space saver spare, just out of curiosity did they provide a wheelbrace and jack? That tyre weld stuff is ok, but what happens if its the middle of the night, and you're 200 miles from home and the puncture still leaks?

I totally agree, it's a silly way to save a very few quid when you think of the total cost of the car.

No, there's no wheelbrace nor jack, just a little electric compressor that automatically injects the tyre weld. It and and the weld are fitted into a styrofoam insert that fills the spare wheel well in the boot. They do include a towing eye which screws into a captive nut below the bumper (I think).

I also hate the thought of being stranded in the middle of nowhere, especially late at night with a child in the car. I've had to buy an extendable wheelbrace too. My old cross-brace doesn't have the leverage required for the wheel nuts, which seem to be tightened to a ridiculously high torque.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 02:45 PM

Aside from the cost saving, it's also done to improve the official fuel economy.
There's quite a few kg in a spare wheel and tyre that for 99% of the time is just ballast.
on the other hand:
Being limited to 50mph is a real pain if you are on a long journey and my experience of a puncture repair in France (€21) mean that I have replaced the space saver in my Mondeo with a full size alloy and a boot floor spacer.
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 07:15 PM


Many cars (my wife's 2005 C-Max included) come with a steel space saver spare wheel. Her C-Max is fitted with 16" alloys so it is OK to put a steel wheel on with alloys as long as the overall profile is the same. The steel wheel Ford supply is, I think, a 14 or 15 inch, so the profile of the tyre on the spare is bigger to make the overall size of the wheel + tyre the same as the alloys + tyres fitted. The steel space savers are limited to 80kph (50mph) and are only a temporary measure to get you home or to a tyre place. The width of the spare is narrower than the alloys but that's OK legally as a temporary "get you home" solution.

My own Mondeo ST (which is fitted as standard with 18" alloys) also comes with a similar steel space-saver spare wheel which was provided by Ford as standard.

You should be able to fairly easily find a Ford space saver spare wheel/tyre for sale via eBay. Here's an example which I just picked at random after doing a search:
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item45fc0bed0f

I'm not suggesting you should purchase that particular one as there are plenty of others available.

Hope this helps.

Thanks very much for that answer Neil, it certainly does help. I have to say I think Ford has made a mistake by not including a spare wheel as standard. It smacks of penny pinching which leaves a bad impression - I suspect even in the minds of people who wouldn't dream of actually changing a wheel themselves! After Googling and reading further I read posts elsewhere that said 1) that some garages aren't keen on replacing tyres on wheels that have been foamed and 2) that the S-Max doesn't even have a space in the boot for a space saving spare. Unbelievable!

Thanks again for your time. :-)


Glad it was helpful. I totally agree that they should still supply a space saver wheel, even though its just a dead weight that the car carries around for 99% of the time.

It would obviously be easy enough to purchase a space saver wheel as long as:

1. there is room to store it (do they still have the wheel well under the boot floor?)
2. you purchase a jack and wheel brace as well (unless you already have them)
3. there are still jacking points on the sills

If you didn't go down the route of purchasing a wheel and a jack then I would be making sure that I'd got good RAC/AA cover and would always carry a mobile, just in case. So, even if you are stuck miles from home, and the foam/compressor didn't work at least they could attend and sort it out or at worst recover you and the vehicle.

I've heard that once a tyre has been filled with foam to get you home its as good as scrap and you should get a new one fitted. Lets say you got a nail in the middle of the tread on a new tyre. On a car with a spare, you'd fit the spare and get the original tyre repaired as soon as possible. However, if you had to fill it with foam, then I presume you'd have to purchase a new tyre instead. Nice!
I'm not sure how long you can run on a foam filled tyre but I'm presuming its only a 'get you home' solution.

Do all the newer C-Max's come with the foam or was it an option when the car was new?

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 11:50 PM

Glad it was helpful. I totally agree that they should still supply a space saver wheel, even though its just a dead weight that the car carries around for 99% of the time.

It would obviously be easy enough to purchase a space saver wheel as long as:

1. there is room to store it (do they still have the wheel well under the boot floor?)
2. you purchase a jack and wheel brace as well (unless you already have them)
3. there are still jacking points on the sills

If you didn't go down the route of purchasing a wheel and a jack then I would be making sure that I'd got good RAC/AA cover and would always carry a mobile, just in case. So, even if you are stuck miles from home, and the foam/compressor didn't work at least they could attend and sort it out or at worst recover you and the vehicle.

I've heard that once a tyre has been filled with foam to get you home its as good as scrap and you should get a new one fitted. Lets say you got a nail in the middle of the tread on a new tyre. On a car with a spare, you'd fit the spare and get the original tyre repaired as soon as possible. However, if you had to fill it with foam, then I presume you'd have to purchase a new tyre instead. Nice!
I'm not sure how long you can run on a foam filled tyre but I'm presuming its only a 'get you home' solution.

Do all the newer C-Max's come with the foam or was it an option when the car was new?

Re. the last question, I read elsewhere that once they dropped the space saver wheel as standard, it became a free option when the car was bought new -- but you had to ask for it...!

I've followed your suggestion and bought a genuine Ford used space saver wheel, which will hopefully fit in the wheel well provided. I'll use an old generic jack I have. There are still jacking points on the sills, fortunately.

My car was registered in Feb '08, so they had definitely stopped providing a spare wheel by that time.

Interesting what has been said about the weight of the spare wheel and fuel economy. I hadn't really thought about that. Funnily enough I was browsing through my new C-Max Haynes manual (BTW they use very cheap paper, not like the old days!) and it pointed out that a tankful of fuel weighs around 45kg. Since the fuel protests some years ago I've made it a habit of keeping my tank fairly full -- perhaps time to rethink that one with fuel prices as high as they are now....!

It amuses me that the tyre weld foam has supposedly become a proper subsitute for a spare tyre. I remember wowing my mates in the late '70s with "space age technology" when I brought back a cycle tyre weld kit back from a family visit to the States. I don't know if the modern stuff is any better but when I used it on a burst inner tube out on the road it not only totally failed to work, but also made an incredible mess of the inner part of the tyre and the rim, much to the amusement of my so-called mates. LOL.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 12:13 AM

For the sake of what 15ish kg, and peace of mind, i'd rather carry a spare, Runflats is an option now too. I do wonder if the foam compressor weighs much...

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 01:40 AM

Interesting what has been said about the weight of the spare wheel and fuel economy. I hadn't really thought about that. Funnily enough I was browsing through my new C-Max Haynes manual (BTW they use very cheap paper, not like the old days!) and it pointed out that a tankful of fuel weighs around 45kg. Since the fuel protests some years ago I've made it a habit of keeping my tank fairly full -- perhaps time to rethink that one with fuel prices as high as they are now....!

It amuses me that the tyre weld foam has supposedly become a proper subsitute for a spare tyre. I remember wowing my mates in the late '70s with "space age technology" when I brought back a cycle tyre weld kit back from a family visit to the States. I don't know if the modern stuff is any better but when I used it on a burst inner tube out on the road it not only totally failed to work, but also made an incredible mess of the inner part of the tyre and the rim, much to the amusement of my so-called mates. LOL.


Glad to hear you've managed to purchase a space saver wheel. It will fit in the wheel well as I presume Ford haven't retooled to stamp the boot floor a different size!

I know what you mean about Haynes manuals. I bought one for my Mondeo and one for the wife's C-Max and couldn't believe how thin and cheap the paper is these days. I've still got an old Haynes manual for my 1977 Suzuki 750 and the pages in that are thick and bright white (apart from the greasy finger prints!). Very different from the latest ones.

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