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...if you ask me. Here's the story in brief

52 reg TDCI purchased on 11/2005
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11/2005 - service - front discs and pads in addition to standard service cost £400
02/2006 - coil light flashing - cost £70 to reprogram injector
(04/2006 - coil light flashing again but cured itself)
6/2006 - service - rear bushes/rear discs and pads - cost £600
12/2006 - coil light flashing - choice to make of replace injector at a costly £400 or reprogram again and sell

...chances are could replace injector and all may be fine but the cars done less than 90k - shouldn't need to be replacing injectors at this age - my 1983 VW Golf lasted until 118k - and that was over 20 years ago!!!

Such a beautiful car to drive, economical and spacious - but crap reliability
 

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Sounds like you had a bad'un :(

'02 Ghia X TDCI purchased 06/2005

06/2005 Service - oil, filter change
06/2005 Tuning box and K&N added
04/2006 50k Service - oil, filter and brake fluid - £200
08/2006 MOT - sailed through £43

Just ticked over 62k so I'll be booking it in for its next service shortly. No problems to report and car running like a dream :thumbup:

Chris
 

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discs and pads - 90K car, to be expected depending on how it has been driven from new.

Servicing, how come you serviced it twice? didn'tit get a service when you bought it or was it a mileage thing?

injectors are unfortunately a known issue with TDCi's and suspension bushes as far as i can remember are the signature failure in any used ford lol
 

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bear77 said:
...if you ask me. Here's the story in brief

52 reg TDCI purchased on 11/2005
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11/2005 - service - front discs and pads in addition to standard service cost £400
02/2006 - coil light flashing - cost £70 to reprogram injector
(04/2006 - coil light flashing again but cured itself)
6/2006 - service - rear bushes/rear discs and pads - cost £600
12/2006 - coil light flashing - choice to make of replace injector at a costly £400 or reprogram again and sell

...chances are could replace injector and all may be fine but the cars done less than 90k - shouldn't need to be replacing injectors at this age - my 1983 VW Golf lasted until 118k - and that was over 20 years ago!!!

Such a beautiful car to drive, economical and spacious - but crap reliability
i see where you are coming from , but , the discs and pads are a service item so i would discount that for a start , comparing an '83 golf with i suspect 'old style mechanical injection' is like comparing a porsche to a trabant , worlds apart in design and tolerances , from other posts / threads , all the new stle diesel motors seem to have issues with their injection systems including vw cars , however i do agree that it should not be the case :sad:
 

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Ok, I take your point that discs and pads are a wearable item and will need replacement - but I do around 14k a year and cannot afford to run a car where the coil light could flash at any moment.

I need something reliable and am not prepared to replace one injector and hope that the rest won't fail - true the other 3 could last 100k plus - or they could all pack up next week costing me £1500!!!
 

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yeah you can get them cheaper elsewhere but then you need to spend the £70 each for them recalibrating.

true its always a worry, but if you consider that maybe 1 in 100 injectors are faulty, then it is a comon fault but from what i've seen on here if you get one you tend to get one, the rest are usually ok.

If I were you I would probably give the car 'one last chance' buy one from diesel bob tuning and get a independant specialist to put it in for you and recalibrate it. should only cost about half of what Ford would charge!
 

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Can independant specialists actually recalibrate these things in addition to fitting them? I was under the impression that whilst they might be easy to fit - you need Fords computer to calibrate them
 

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Sorry to hear about your experience m8, but although I agree it isn't good every car/engine has it's foibles which can be expensive. The TDCi is a great engine and very, very reliable on the whole although it is blighted by quite a lot of injector failure issues.

You do seem to have been taken to the cleaners by whoever has been looking after your car though - is it a main stealer as those prices are just outrageous.

It's not just Ford:
VAG coil pack failures
Volvo ETM and ABS module failures plus diesel injector failures (this is pre-Ford ownership BTW)
Vauxhall absolutely bloody anything failure :gayfight:
BMW coil pack failures

None of this is cheap out of warranty.

I did a bit of digging on the interweb and it seems that Bosch in particular have issues with the early (pre-2004) injectors which were spring actuated not piezo-electric as they are now?

The Volvo D5 engine which is also notorious for injector failure uses the Bosch system too, for what it's worth (which isn't much) it looks like Ford have been caught out by an issue caused by one of their component suppliers.

It sucks, but hopefully it will all be sorted by the newer generation of injectors.

Hopefully :tongue:

Only you can decide what you want to do, but you've spent so much money getting the car up to the standard it is it would seem to make sense to me to get this issue fixed and keep it, otherwise you are just pissing all that money away.

Cheers,
J
 

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John_C said:
I did a bit of digging on the interweb and it seems that Bosch in particular have issues with the early (pre-2004) injectors which were spring actuated not piezo-electric as they are now?
Do you know if these injectors are a straight swap? If I decide to keep the car long term, I might replace them as a pre-emptive measure (assuming mine haven't already been replaced!) :D

Chris
 

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I would say replacing them is a bit drastic!?! :crazy:
 

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Thanks for the advice - may decide to trade it up for a slightly newer one and hope for the best!!
If you do that, then make sure its a Euro IV engine as the chances of them having these issues is probably less as they have ironed out these flaws. And make sure you get a good warranty also just in case you are that unlucky.
 

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Version 4 euro emissions. I think it was early-mid 2004 that the IV emission engine started.
 

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Do you know if these injectors are a straight swap?
From what I read yes they are, they just changed the way they work internally everything else stays the same. Seems a bit extreme to swap out working parts though? It is a minority of them that fail, if they don't fail don't worry, just don't do anything daft like put petrol in your car by mistake or leave it unserviced so water builds up in the fuel filter......

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Ah I'll hold off then! Notice you're also in Andover - if you spot a red Mondeo being driven like it was stolen, give us a wave! If you spot one that isn't being driven like that, can you ring the police and report my car stolen ;) :}

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Heh, will keep an eye out m8, TONS of mondys around here but mine is an 03 Zetec-S TDCi in light blue so we're both in fairly distinctive ones, not that many Ghia-X's around. Give us a wave if you see me ;)

Cheers,
J
 
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