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I see many buses that have a red circle of brake LED lights and the centre is amber indicator. When the brake is on, the amber is virtually invisible.

What do these idiots get paid to design stupidity? Is it something that can be studied at university?
agreed. from memory the VW Passat has/had the same sort of problem
 

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agreed. from memory the VW Passat has/had the same sort of problem
Theres loads of vehicles like that now and its a dumb design, i think no light other than the reversing light should be allowed to be surrounded by another.

Something else which is less than ideal and our mondeos are guilty of is having a combi tail/brake, a brake lights should be totally separate from tail for easier identification in my opinion but my high level brake light is savage bright so you aint missing me braking ha ha.
 

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Theres loads of vehicles like that now and its a dumb design, i think no light other than the reversing light should be allowed to be surrounded by another.

Something else which is less than ideal and our mondeos are guilty of is having a combi tail/brake, a brake lights should be totally separate from tail for easier identification in my opinion but my high level brake light is savage bright so you aint missing me braking ha ha.
in fairness brake lights have been combined with sidelights as long as i can remember, maybe not on all cars but certainly on many. Series Land Rovers, for example, Minis, Fiestas, Escorts, most cars i can think of in fact. one of the few that were the exception that springs readily to mind was the Sierra.
 

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in fairness brake lights have been combined with sidelights as long as i can remember, maybe not on all cars but certainly on many. Series Land Rovers, for example, Minis, Fiestas, Escorts, most cars i can think of in fact. one of the few that were the exception that springs readily to mind was the Sierra.
The Mk2 sierra definitely did, i owned a couple of sapphires, oh how i miss those! But im not so sure about the Mk1, i remember my old man re wiring his to get independent brakes, i think those had shared stop/tail and a dedicated fog light like the mondeo.

I did think about swapping my brake and the dedicated fog on my mondeo for independent brakes but ive wired my fogs up to a wig wag system instead :)

 

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The Mk2 sierra definitely did, i owned a couple of sapphires, oh how i miss those! But im not so sure about the Mk1, i remember my old man re wiring his to get independent brakes, i think those had shared stop/tail and a dedicated fog light like the mondeo.

I did think about swapping my brake and the dedicated fog on my mondeo for independent brakes but ive wired my fogs up to a wig wag system instead :)


Surprised that an emergency responder is not using a newer vehicle ;)
 

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Surprised that an emergency responder is not using a newer vehicle ;)
Ha ha!

Its home made, its running an Arduino with some very basic code on it and drives two relays which drive the Fogs.
The Fogs are normally linked together so i put in a high power Diode to allow both to light when the fogs are turned on but blocks both lighting when the wig wag is running cos its patched in between the diode and bulb.
The electronics are in a 3d printed enclosure.

There is no doubt that they are an order of magnitude more effective than hazards (why i made the system), anyone who gets funny about them if used for safety is an arsehole!

I have seriously bright (60w a side) Blue LED lights that double pulse before switching Left/Right (not fitted to my car!!) but those are prosecution territory, got a 5w per side version behind the grill on my large scale (1.1m x 50cm large :cool:) RC truck, those look very cool :)
 

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The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989

Lamps to show a steady light

13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which automatically emits a flashing light.

(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of–

(a)a direction indicator;

(b)a headlamp fitted to an emergency vehicle;

(c)a warning beacon or special warning lamp;

(d)a lamp or illuminated sign fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;

(e)a green warning lamp used as an anti-lock brake indicator; or

(f)lamps forming part of a traffic sign.




I have no problem with them but a Police Officer wouldn't be "Funny " about them, just have to do his/her job and enforce the Law to be honest.
 

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The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989

Lamps to show a steady light

13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which automatically emits a flashing light.

(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of–

(a)a direction indicator;

(b)a headlamp fitted to an emergency vehicle;

(c)a warning beacon or special warning lamp;

(d)a lamp or illuminated sign fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;

(e)a green warning lamp used as an anti-lock brake indicator; or

(f)lamps forming part of a traffic sign.




I have no problem with them but a Police Officer wouldn't be "Funny " about them, just have to do his/her job and enforce the Law to be honest.
yeah, im fully aware of the regulations and taken the decision that ill risk it on the basis that if they were only used in a situation where they are clearly a benefit to safety, any officer who went after me for it would have to be a proper jobsworth and not interested in actual safety.

My old man who is Ex traffic said they are a bit naughty but if they were only used in a hazard he would have ignored them if he had come across a car with them while working.

I could have wired up the front fogs or main beams to do the same but i decided that the fronts wig wagging could be claimed to be impersonating a police/emergency vehicle as when we see alternating headlights we automatically think that but when we see alternating reds we think accident/recovery.

I know i could technically be done if i used them on the road but i think its highly unlikely.
 

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in fairness brake lights have been combined with sidelights as long as i can remember, maybe not on all cars but certainly on many. Series Land Rovers, for example, Minis, Fiestas, Escorts, most cars i can think of in fact. one of the few that were the exception that springs readily to mind was the Sierra.
One slightly odd thing I find about the Mondeo is that the two individual tail light bulbs are 5W, but the combined brake/tail light bulb is 4W. The 5W version doesn't fit. It doesn't sound like much, but you can see the difference.
 

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One slightly odd thing I find about the Mondeo is that the two individual tail light bulbs are 5W, but the combined brake/tail light bulb is 4W. The 5W version doesn't fit. It doesn't sound like much, but you can see the difference.
yeah, its quite noticeable when they are lit isn't it, looks almost like the bulb isn't properly seated in the cluster!
 
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