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Megger
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Hi everyone,Ive got the glow plug warning light flashing.The car seems to be performing ok,possibly a bit of hesitation on idle but otherwise fine at the moment.Any ideas?
 

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have fault codes read!?

and take it from there...

good luck.

David
 

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could be a few things im guessing its a mk3 but you must give as much information as possible when posting otherwise its like saying "my printer is broke how do i fix it".
 

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Just had same thing happen on MK3 2 litre 130HP TDCI, 52reg 103k miles. No fault codes when getting via instrument panel.

Was running rough the other day so put some injector cleaner into tank then shortly after the turbo turns off and glow plug flashes. Missus thinks it's gone wrong because of the the stuff I put in the tank, I say I put the stuff in the tank because it was running rough. Guess who will win that debate, lol.

Am thinking it needs to go to Ford dealer, but any tips to avoid that experience would be gratefully received.
 

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apparently your not supposed to put anything like that in the tank it says so in the manual but people do do it

remember the speedo wont tell you all codes
 

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Indeed it does say that in the manual totalguy .... and you are begining to sound like the missus :laugh: It was running rough before I chucked the cleaner stuff in, that's why I did it.....

More info that might be of use. Family medical problem gave me no choice but to take it on a 500mile run with flashing glow pug light all the way. Runs rough when cold and starting out but no apparent problem when at high speed on motorway, except I miss the turbo. Hope I haven't done it in.
 

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sorry i cant help anymore im just quoting what ive read previously
 

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totalguy said:
could be a few things im guessing its a mk3 but you must give as much information as possible when posting otherwise its like saying "my printer is broke how do i fix it".
Funny you should say that. In work yesterday someone on the helpdesk took a call about someones printer attached to their laptop - and just assigned it over to us on 3rd line. No other info. we were just supposed to guess the finer details like the laptop ID from the thousands it could have been and magically fix it (even though we dont officially support them anyway). Cause I was monitoring the call stack assigned to us it got sent back quite sharpish with my usual wit and charm :}
 

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Loads of previous posts about flashing glow plug lights. The light is programmed to flash if the engine PCU detects any one of a number of faults mainly to do with the fuel system, including any transients. Fuel pressure may have blipped, there may have been an air bubble going through the system etc etc. These problems do not always leave a fault code, sometimes the light stops flashing by itself, sometimes you need to get the PCU reset to stop it flashing. Sometimes its costs nothing to put right sometimes hundreds of pounds, yours sounds like a cheap version of the problem.
 

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Megger
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You are right should have put more vehicle info.Anyway started idling like a bag of spanners,and would only start with the gas pedal to the floor.So I took it to Frauds for a diagnosis.They told me that ONE injector was fooked and would cost £365+vat to put right,after I recovered from the shock I rang around local so called diesel specialist who told me they did'nt have the equipment to determine which injector was faulty,only Fords could do this and recommended that it was a job only Fords could handle.So I've had to swallow it and pay up.What I would like to know is what causes this problem and how can it be prevented?TDCI 130 2002 62,000
 

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How to stop injector failure is a good question. Remenber that this is not a ford product, its made by Delphi, and Delphi supply more than one manufacturer. With a population of hundreds of thousands of injectors it stands to reason that the odd one is goig to fail, you were probably just unlucky. If you imagine whats going on inside an injector every 0.06 seconds at 2000 rpm its quite a bit of kit and at 80,000 miles its probably injected diesel about 120 million times.

I am of the opinion that a number of "faulty injectors" are incorrectly diagnosed by Ford main dealers, its just easier to change an injector than look to see if the problem is being caused by anything else, like carbon build up or a loose or bad electrical connection.

If you look on the Delphi webb site, http://www.delphidieselsystems.com/uk/agentsearch.asp you may find a local Delphi dealer, they can change injectors for you. Delphi are also going to authorising their local agents to carry out injector repairs.

Ford charge a fortune for injectors, getting on for £200 a pop, this place, http://www.dieselbob.co.uk/orderinjectors.shtml, chargses £80 per injector.

Merry Christmas
 

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Just got similar news from my ford outfit. Bad injector, £420 all in.

Took it to my preferred garage first and they couldn't even diagnose it. Their computer came up with code P2335 - Main Dealer.

What a scam, any garage should be able to find out what is wrong so consumers don't have to go to Fords and bend over.

Merry Christmas everybody, except the lads at Ford who don't believe in competition.
 

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So if the injector is about £200 thats £220 to install and recalibrate it. At £100/hr, that's two and a half hours work which sounds ok but in reality it could probably be done in an hour and a half. Its a simple job, drive car into bay park and open bonnet (10 mins), disconnect the fuel pipes (5 mins), disconnect the wiring (1 min), remove the injector (15 mins), fit new injector and seals making sure its correctly aligned (10 mins, they have a special tool for that), reconnect pipes (5 mins), reconnect wiring (1 min), vent system (10 mins but may not be required) leaving 30 mins to recalibate the system have a cup of tea and do the paperwork, bobs your uncle. Its a ridiculous amount of money for that much effort.

Two or three years ago I had four reconditioned injectors fitted to a Mk II Mondeo by a local Reading diesel specialist (http://www.peter-strong-diesel-fuel-injection.co.uk/customertestimonials.htm) total cost as far a I can remember was in the region of £175. His prices will have gone up by now.

The main dealers will tell you that their rates are so high because of their overheads, boll****. Their rates are so hight because they want to, and do, make a lot of money out of people who have no option but to use their services.
 

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Megger
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Spot on RJM.Do all main dealerships act like this or is it just Frauds.Checked out the Delphi site as you suggested,they recommend changing the full set of injectors every 50,000 miles,I'm feeling a bit feint just thinking about having to do that!Merry Christmas to you all and a dealership free New Year.
 

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full set every 50K???!?!?!? oh dear :sad:
 
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