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mondeo mk3 poly subframe bushes
Done this job last week and thought i would add a little to the wiki,
http://www.fordwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=Subframe_Bushes

job is easier if you have help, holding the bush and jacking at the same time can be awkward.
i jacked up one side of the car just enough to get rear wheel off the ground, then removed wheel.
then jack with a block of wood on it to hold subframe.
unbolted both subframe bolts and lowered jack approx 6cm (frame wont go down much more than this even with no support)
had a go with hot knives to remove old bush but it was slow going, so just hit the drill with a assortment
of cheap drill bits 4mm 4.5mm 5mm (cheap ones tend to bend more but some will break)
five mins off drilling and old bushes wriggled out with help of mole grips.
drill at a slight angle, the hole is cone shaped.
dont skimp on cleaning the hole, keep going until all black/brown dust stops comming out, then
clean the top lip.
mixed messages how to put new bushes in some say grease, some say NO grease.
we used grease on the first,,,,and it was a pain, bush was tight and it got everywhere.
we then went to washing up liquid,much better, bush went in nice and you can just wipe your hands dry.
soak the bush and hole but not the bottom of the bush,,,or it will slip around.
also save one of the old bush washers and place it between jack/bush so it pushes the middle of the bush.

this helps the lip slime over.
if like us you only have 'home jacks' you will probably need extensions as jacks didnt go high enough, we
used cut of bits of fencepost, 4x2 etc.
last thing to note, if frame moves, put a 1/2 inch extension bar or ratchet handle into rear
alighnment hole and pull/push it true.

pic of frame with old bushes removed

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I fitted some flo-flex bushes about 3 months ago (easy job really, nothing to fret about. I just used some 1" square stock and m12 threading to knock up a puller). Ever since fitting the car has been knocking far worse than it was on standard. One thing I noticed is that the ID of the inner metal bit of the bush is bigger than the OD of the bolt which holds the subframe on. Reckon this is where it's banging from? I've got some new ARB bushes and drop links to replace to see if that helps before doing anything drastic.

All the bolts are torqued to spec (I actually used the torque wrench!!).
 

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Just for some completion I replaced ARB bushes and drop links and welded up a crack in the exhaust and it's all good now. So pick what the problem was - wasn't the bushes. Flo Flex didn't bother to reply to my email though. Oh well.
 

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Put some floflex bushes in. What a load of crap they are. All deformed when tightened up. To reduce time with the car off the road, I've just bought a second hand subframe from MondeoSpares with everything attached. The bushes are on their way so gonna have new original style bushes put in. With regards to the metal sleeves, do these HAVE to be pressed out/in? Is there anyway I can put new bushes with the metal shells on myself?
 

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With regards to the metal sleeves, do these HAVE to be pressed out/in? Is there anyway I can put new bushes with the metal shells on myself?
Fit original style using a tool, search ebay for Mondeo bush tool or a home made version. They should be fixed using Loctite 648. Note that there are different bush shapes front/rear and the orientation probably should be the same as the old.
 

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With regards to the metal sleeves, do these HAVE to be pressed out/in? Is there anyway I can put new bushes with the metal shells on myself?
Fit original style using a tool, search ebay for Mondeo bush tool or a home made version. They should be fixed using Loctite 648. Note that there are different bush shapes front/rear and the orientation probably should be the same as the old.
Nice one. When you say fixed in with loctite, is this if you leave the original metal shell jn and just replace the rubber inside? Im intending if possible on fitting the new bushes that are already in the metal shell. Cant work out if the tool is capable of getting the metal shell in and out of the subframe.

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I replaced the rear subframe bushes on my old Mondy TDCi with the yellow Powerflex items. Extracted the old bushes using a puller made by Laser Tools. They took some shifting tho, me and a mate bent the large washers on the tool!The old ones were totally shot after 8 years and 105k. The new PU bushes were very easy to fit and everything bolted back nicely. Car felt better for it too. Also replaced the rear ARB bushes with PU items but found them a sloppy fit and they rattled constantly. Wasn't at all impressed with them so I just fitted standard ARB bushes for around £4 a side.
 

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Nice one. When you say fixed in with loctite, is this if you leave the original metal shell jn and just replace the rubber inside? Im intending if possible on fitting the new bushes that are already in the metal shell. Cant work out if the tool is capable of getting the metal shell in and out of the subframe.
Original equipment bushes are rubber bonded to the metal outer so you have to remove the shell, they can be destroyed in the process (see the first post in this thread). Poly types are not bonded to the shell, only the rubber and inner are replaced. The outer shell stays.
 

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Thanks for the replies! Im going to fit the oem bushes so will need to remove my existing shell. When it comes to fitting the new shell into the subframe, will this require a press. In that guide it looks as though the chap has made his own tool to squeeze it into the subframe. Shall go and buy some theaded bar etc later if I can do it this way.

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This is what I've done with Powerflex ones with Photos attached.

I removed both subframe bolts and the subframe will lower slightly

I used a wood 5mm drill bit

Drill out one side of the rubber with a few holes to weaken it, drill it at a angle don't worry if the bit touches the inner metal, you just don't want it to damage the outer metal, lucky first one came out by hand.

So I cut the metal inner to about 20mm thick with disc cutter, ready for the next three.

Placed it on top of the other bush, drilled the rubber with a few holes on one side of the bush

jack the subframe up.

The old bush should pop down

cleaned the outer metal with 50mm wire brush drill bit.

Copper grease the just the metal outing.

push the poly bush in as far as you can then with out the supplied large steel center insert replace the bolt with the large supplied and old washers and just nip it up until the bush pops in place, remove the bolt again and jack up with wood block to push in the steel insert in, large washer,small original washer, and then nip up.

The supplied washer does bend easy, so that why you need the originals as well.

Took me time to nip it up to 120NM.

Repeated on other side.

I may have to get the 4 wheel alignment done, but give it a month to settle first.

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Good man and good guide :) I've now done this on three occasions - 2 sets of polys and one lot just replaced like for like with standard bushes.

I think once you've cut the old ones out, the most important thing then is to clean the shell out and get all of the rubber out. Otherwise this deforms the poly bush once you fit the metal insert. Doesn't take long to clean in inside out with a metal brush attachment on the drill.
 

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Hi guys! I have a question about the rear subframe bushes. I made an oil change today and just checked the bushes in the back and I noticed they look "weird". The outer "fluffy" rubber part does not touch the subframe at all. Is that how they are supposed to be? Does this mean they are excessively worn? If I would remove the bolt, the bushes would just fall out? I try to attach some images. BTW I never heard any knocking or screeking sound from behind, so I was surprised to find the bushes like this. Something tells me it's bad.

Thank you.

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Yes this is generally the way they look when they need replacing.

When they get really worn the subframe will knock.

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Thanks! I already ordered some polys from powerflex.

Do you think I will have an easy time removing them since the rubber aleady seems to have separated from the metal? Or will I have long hours of drilling/sweating/burning the bushes out.

I read that sometimes they just fall out. Thats what I would like. :p
 

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Put a suitable size socket on top of the bush between the subframe and underbody and jack the subframe up this should push the bush out,you can cut round the rubber before hand then wire brush the shell till clean ,use washing up liquid round the polybush screw it in without the inner cylinder first to make sure the polybush comes through properly then undo and put the inner cylinder in and hopefully Bobs your uncle.
 

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That would probably work thinking about it, I have never tried it though.

It quite a nice job with the tool, I don't know how much they are nowadays however.

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